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LIME Squeezes Into Cell Tower Debate

QuestionsAntigua St John's - On July 18, Caribarena received a reply from LIME about its cell phone towers. Questions regarding the towers were sent to the telecommunications provider on May 24 - nearly two months ago.

The questions and answers are outlined below:

Question: What Caribarena.com would like to know is if LIME has regulations of its own in place?

Answer: LIME operates in many markets whereby it is governed by established regulations. In the case of Antigua & Barbuda where there are no existing regulations, LIME is guided by the findings of the International Radiation Protection Association (IRPA) and the International Non-Ionizing Radiation Committee (INIRC).

(Caribarena Note: The IRPA was an organisation set up in 1974, which later formed the INIRC in 1977. In 1992, they were succeeded by ICNIRP, who released updated guidelines for mobile phones and towers in 1998. However, LIME claims to be working by the findings of the old IRPA/INIRC. ICNIRP takes the findings of the IRPA/INIRC into consideration when setting its guidelines, but the two organisations have completely different limits. In addition to this, an article on ICNIRP guidelines, written on dnaindia, says,

"Several pointers should have cautioned India against the perils of adopting ICNIRP norms. Rapid strides in research during the last decade have left the 1998-vintage (ICNIRP) norms looking all but irrelevant.

They were intended to curb short-term thermal effects (the late 1990s saw a heightened awareness over global warming) and were not calibrated for the adverse biological effects of long-term radiation exposure such as cancer and genetic damage.

Most environmentally-progressive countries (in Europe, for instance) have rejected the norms outright as being dangerously lenient. Even China has opted for an admirably stringent radiation limit of 0.1 w/sq.m." http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/report_why-our-cell-tower-norms-on-radiation-are-meaningless_1463536)



Question
: What sorts of factors are considered before the erection of a tower?LIME is aware of its responsibility to the people of Antigua & Barbuda

Answer: Factors include service area, access to site and coverage, proximity to existing and intended customers.

(Caribarena Note: So schools are not important. Even countries that are under the ICNIRP standard, like France, Russia and Japan, prohibit the placing of antennas and towers near schools, as well as the use of cell phones in schools because of the vulnerability of children.)


Question: What consideration is put into action before the company decides what strength that antenna would broadcast?

Answer: LIME Antigua follows all the guidelines for the operation of a GSM site as per international standards. They are the same for developed countries and developing countries. Signal strength is variable and set by proximity of mobile to the site and the signal strength reported by the mobile. Automatic power adjustment is initiated to achieve best level of service on all sites.


Question: Are all antennas emitting the same signal strength?

Answer: All power amplifiers emit 10W maximum at macros sites and 1W at E-Cells. Antenna gain is varied to mitigate loss of power on transmission line.

(Caribarena Note: In our measurements, LIME towers surpassed the IEMFA safe limit significantly, sometimes being 16 times stronger than the limit. We recorded strengths including 2.72 mW/m2.)


LIME-responsibility-to-LIME-employees-and-their-familiesQuestion: Have there been talks with other mobile providers with regards to sharing towers?

Answer: We have been tower sharing for many years. When a new tower is being constructed, LIME discusses the possibility to tower share with other service providers.


Question: Are there any international guidelines that are employed with regards to this subject?

Answer: The guidelines of International Radiation Protection Association (IRPA) and the International Non-Ionizing Radiation Committee (INIRC).


Question: Is the influx of towers and antennas locally mirrored across the region?

Answer: In order to provide the best mobile coverage to our customers, LIME engages in tower sharing opportunities where possible. We encourage other operators across the Caribbean to emulate this practise.

(Caribarena Note: A fine evasion of the question by LIME. Mobile coverage and tower sharing were not the issue discussed in the question.)


Question: Is the location of the towers and antennas considered with regard to the environs? For example schools, businesses etc?

Answer: LIME is aware of its responsibility to the people of Antigua & Barbuda which include customers, LIME employees and their families. When a site is selected, LIME reviews the environment of operation. The positioning of our towers and antennas are fully compliant with all GSM Safety Standards.

(Caribarena Note: Again, LIME has evaded the question. Are environs, like schools and businesses, considered when a new tower is erected? Also, what is a GSM safety standard?

Let's hope it's something similar to the safety limitations of Non-ionizing radiation at frequencies between 400 and 2,000 MHz. And while LIME may be compliant with ICNIRP's safety standards, or with the older IRPA/INIRC standards, there are many significantly lower standards, such as IEMFA's standard, which it is not compliant with.)



Questions
: Can you say how many towers LIME has?

Answer: LIME has 22 towers.

(Caribarena Note: So, LIME has 22. Digicel has 28, and APUA has 31. Some simple arithmetic brings the total to 81. Our study found 98 cell phone towers. So where are the missing 17?)

It is important to understand that regardless of any international regulations, the number of cell phone towers in Antigua is completely out of proportion. Our island is not so large that it needs almost 100 cell phone towers.

On top of this, many towers are located in the worst possible places, residential areas. When a tower is placed inside a residential area, this means that it is constantly exposing people in the area to its EMF. So not only is the number of towers completely bloated, but the towers themselves are placed in areas of greatest risk.

However, LIME's final answer raises new questions; with 17 towers without an owner, who knows to whom they belong? Does the Ministry of Information Technology have a listing of all of these towers? Do they know where each tower is? Could it be that the Minister of IT hasn't responded because he has no answers to questions like these?

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RE: LIME Squeezes Into Cell Tower Debate

#21 Shameless » 2011-07-22 09:25

The 17 missing towers are with ACT, they were quite silent during this whole debacle...... I think Caribarena needs to do their HW with a bit more technological vigor before they jump to conclisions (So where are the missing 17"). Its been two months and not one issue on this website remembered ACT (I didn't even remember them). This happpens when your trust one source of information.
Advice: Do better, search all avenues!
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Blame the government

#20 Tobi » 2011-07-21 23:53

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Tun off ya phone.
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please help

#19 peter » 2011-07-21 17:51

As the article says there is no regulations regarding the erection of these towers so there inlies the problem, no guide lines so they do what the hell they like.
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RE: LIME Squeezes Into Cell Tower Debate

#18 Shameless » 2011-07-21 14:19

In the future, I would love to see they merge these cell towers. It's too much out there. Now suppose another mobile company enter the market - What will they do erect more towers to bring the number to six scores? That's insane. They need to consolodate the services.
Have a designated site and contractor to service these... Money can be saved there too.
Since APUA has the most towers, I'll suggest they use there(s)
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Healthy Debate - Let All Voices Contend

#17 John French II » 2011-07-21 12:03

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. A healthy & respectful civic debate is helpful in a growing democracy and young Nation. Johnny - May I remind of Tobacco Smoking. Antiguan rationale - Blues & Reds Yes. Made Irrelevant by their Policies & Actions. Relevant. The DISRESPECT of the Unelected Senator to respond to suggested Health Concerns, whether Founded or Unfounded In Science, of The Citizenry. Citizens Actions. Continue to Provide the Research Information you have gathered.
“There is no better guidance than lessons learned from experience.” African Proverb
Respect My Friends.
Heaven Help The Nation Of Antigua & Barbuda - Redonda?
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RE: LIME Squeezes Into Cell Tower Debate

#16 sigh » 2011-07-21 11:43

I hate when people say the IEMFA is a fringe group. its such a useless comment to make. regardless of what they are, they are all very well educated and all very respectable scientists and health professionals, and their findings do hold great importance and value. It is very easy for ICNIRP and the American cancer association to say results are inconclusive or that there isn't enough evidence. It seems no matter how much evidence is accumulated, it is never enough. and "Antigua Rationale", you need to review your facts. ICNIRP have no input in the US, only the FCC do. Secondly, those "established guidelines for health and safety" are irrelevant. Did you know that a french judge ordered a cell phone giant to take down a tower because he was unconvinced that icnirp standards are safe? and guess who convinced him? not the IEMFA, not even scientists. a couple who were concerned and a lawyer. see for yourself: http://www.next-up.org/pdf/France_Versailles_Court_Of_Appeal_Judgement_Local_Living_Phone_Masts_Against_Compagny_Bouygues_Telecom_04_02_2009.pdf

when you want to talk numbers and science, let me know ;-)
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#15 tenman » 2011-07-21 11:43

Johnny since the world health health Org. has recently stated that cell phones may cause cancer (http://www.businessinsider.com/cell-phones-cause-cancer-2011-5) don't you think the same applies to cell towers especially ones too close to persons homes or schools? The American Cancer society as you stated said very little evidence, it never stated it did not cause cancer. You also need to consider the fact that the tests used by the ACS used towers adhering to the ICNIRP standard. Johny, Caribarena has started that the readings its seeing from Lime towers are not inline with the ICNIRP stadard. Johny sleeping pills if used in the right dosage will not kill you but if you go over the dosage, it could result in death.
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Sanity required

#14 Antiguan rationale » 2011-07-21 11:06

This debate is really off the rails.

1) There is way too much politics here: Remember that both parties oversaw and encouraged the explosive growth of mobile service. To me this is a non-political issue.

2) There is way too little science here. The FCC and ICNIRP have determined the non-ionizing radiation levels that are safe for the US, and have established guidelines for health and safety. The IEMFA is a fringe group (very small fraction of the scientific community) that holds the view that the current international guidelines are inappropriate, and is advancing them.
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@ Morris

#13 John French II » 2011-07-21 10:56

Notes From A Native Of The Rock. Excellent!
Each One Teach One.
“The one who pays respect to the great paves the way for his own greatness” African Proverb.
Respect.
Heaven Help The Nation of Antigua & Barbuda - Redonda?
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RE: LIME Squeezes Into Cell Tower Debate

#12 Johnny » 2011-07-21 10:53

The American Cancer society says that the is very little evidence that cell phone towers cause cancer. What is your argument Caribarena?

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/cellular-phone-towers
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@ Tenman

#11 John French II » 2011-07-21 10:04

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. That there has been no definitive to date is the reason for ongoing Research and Caution being exercised by many Municipalities. Tower Height in most Canadian Jurisdictions is about 200 Ft. I see similar conditions in some Caricom Nations. The US is open Sesame. An ounce of Prevention and Caution.
Respect.
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RE: LIME Squeezes Into Cell Tower Debate

#10 Morris » 2011-07-21 09:57

Those were not hardball questions. I would have preferref to see questions such as: what research was conducted to determine the number and placement of towers, how often are tests conducted and where are the reports filed, what type of warnings (if any) were given to residents regarding their proximity to these towers, and why were they operating without an SOP? It would also be great to know if there is any correlation between our hospital's records and cancer diagnoses from areas where these towers are located. Lastly, Mr. Mansoor MUST answer, how could he have allowed such irresponsibility under his watch? If the individuals that are entrusted to look out for the best interests of the citizens are derelict in executing the duties outlined in their portfolios, then what does that say about the administration?
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missed that one..

#9 wada » 2011-07-21 09:36

ok I admit I missed that article and will take my foot out of my mouth, but "a typical APUA tower... What about the four antennas on their building in Long Street? I guess that isnt typical?
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@ Tenman

#8 John French II » 2011-07-21 09:25

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. Your tenacity for Truth, Justice and The Non-Curiosity Ways Of fellow Travellers must be commended.
The Blue Wiseacres fail on all Fronts to exercise Critical Thinking.
Respect.
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John Frech II et all

#7 tenman » 2011-07-21 09:21

John the article you provided the url for states:
Dr. Robert Becker, a retired professor of orthopedic surgery in New York who has written books on the dangers of electromagnetic fields, said the people of Lowell probably are too far from US West's proposed tower to experience ill effects."

Is this true for eg. the Lime antenas which are reported to be next to schools and persons homes? I recall an article also highlighting the problem caused by the height and construction of lime towers not even adhering to a set standard. The Caribarena article stated:

A typical APUA PCS tower is over 100 feet in height. In comparison, many towers operated by LIME are wooden poles, which resemble electricity posts rather than proper cell phone towers. This means that a typical LIME tower is more focussed and powerful when it hits the ground, and can be more dangerous. In some locations, Digicel operates portable towers, which are intended for temporary use, not for permanent placement in residential areas.

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@wada

#6 tenman » 2011-07-21 09:05

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Wada

#5 tenman » 2011-07-21 09:02

Wada apua responded and they did exactly with that response what they did with the LIME response

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The FCC - Only In The USA

#4 John French II » 2011-07-21 08:22

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. LIME Has Responded. It has Said Nothing. A Lutta Continua. Comrades Forgive the Use. The FCC. Here is the skinny on Cell Phone Towers in Seattle WA: "The FCC does not require every antenna structure to be registered, and the map may or may not list all the towers in the area. Additionally, many carriers have sold their tower assets to third party companies, and leasing agreements are unknown." The Wild Wild West Revisited:
www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=seattle&state_abr=wa
As Noted This Conundrum Continues to bedevil. community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920422&slug=1487729 The Journey has just began. Move On.
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Ministry of IT??

#3 Skyewill » 2011-07-21 08:10

The Guy is a Medical doctor correct? So why is he not at Health? The poor guy may not know IT. You see no one does the job they should be doing. They really think it's about free laptops. It's all political, how many people you can impress as you smile, kiss babies (over 21) and pretend you you know things you really don't know anything about. I'll bet the reason he have not come forward is because he has no clue because he must know he is responsible to the people to respond. A man has power but uses restraint and judgement or a man has power and become bigger than the people he should be serving and show no accountability, why?
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Was this journalism?

#2 Wada » 2011-07-21 08:08

"Caribarena Note", I find the re**als petty and unprofessional. APUA has the highest number of towers but yet you have been hounding Dr. Mansoor, Digicel and LIME for weeks. Was APUA approached for a response? Did Caribarena assume that the office of Telecomms would reply on behalf of APUA? I understand that this issue needs to be addressed but this was really disappointing journalism.
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RE: LIME Squeezes Into Cell Tower Debate

#1 BEEF » 2011-07-21 07:00

I believe that the relevant person or department in government should come out and let the people know what is happening to their health (if anything at all). To try and stone-wall legitimate questions tell the people what a sitting government thinks of them (in my opinion). At least try to show that you have the people interest at heart. So in response to the stone-walling by a government, I THINK THE TIME HAS COME FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO GO. I know the choir members will be singing away, but this would have been my position on this matter regardless of who is in power. PEOPLE SHOW SOME WORTH AND STAND UP FOR SOMETHING.
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