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Is Joseph Scared or Smart

Is Joseph Scared or SmartAntigua St John's - For Molwyn Joseph to say there is no leadership war or disunity within the Antigua Labour Party (ALP) demonstrates just how terrified he is of party leader Lester Bird.

The St Mary’s North MP may be shaking in his boots after he won that Caribarena.com poll for leadership of the ALP, beating Gaston Browne, Bird, and Robin Yearwood.

There is no secret that Joseph wants to be prime minister of Antigua & Barbuda. But its present leader, Lester Bird, is standing in his way, with no telling signs that he will relinquish power, especially to Joseph.



Bird has said he would like to lead the ALP into the 2014 general elections before passing the torch to the next in line, who, incidentally, is Browne.

So it seems that if Joseph wants to be prime minister, he will have to challenge Bird, and perhaps Browne as well.

Antigua & Barbuda is suffering from lack of leadership, and Joseph believes that he has the qualities the past two leaders - Bird and Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer - lack, ie courage.

Joseph, though, appears to be less courageous than Bird and Spencer; or is he treading lightly?

“I expect Lester Bird to lead the Antigua Labour Party into the next general elections as a united party. I just want to use this platform to dispel this notion being pushed by the UPP Government and other detractors within the ALP that the party has issues with leadership or unity,” Joseph said.

It seems that Joseph is treading lightly because he is mortified of Bird, for at least two reasons.

There was a time when Joseph was expected to take over the mantle of leadership of the ALP, before his career came to a screeching halt; a Rolls Royce stopped him in his tracks.

Joseph may not admit it today, but it was the ALP that led the charge to "put him in his place," so that he could not challenge for the leadership.

Hey, "once bitten, twice shy," and Joseph may not want to expose his hand and announce his intentions, as the wolves may come out of the woods again.

But there is no Rolls Royce affair, so Joseph should be free to say he is ready to lead.

Well, while some believe that Bird is a liability for the ALP going into the next elections, Joseph knows that Bird may be the most important person for the ALP going into the elections.



Here is why.

Bird is still the one person who has the ability to unify the party base to rally around the next leader, and Joseph wants to be that person.

Therefore, Joseph, it seems, is playing a game, not with Bird, but with Browne.

Notice Browne has not pronounced that he wants to be leader.

He too does not want to "upset" Bird, who really wants to be prime minister of Antigua & Barbuda again, cementing the term “Comeback Kid”.
But both Browne and Joseph are making a huge mistake by sitting back and waiting for the leadership to be passed on to “Lester’s choice".

The best way forward for these two individuals is to announce their intentions, go head-to-head, and let the chips fall where they may.

This, I think, would be an indication to the ALP supporters and the general population that the ALP has it in them to "run this place again".

Sure, it’s not going to be easy, but to lead Antigua & Barbuda out of its present state is not for the "weak of heart" either.

Antigua & Barbuda needs a leader the people will believe, and statements attributed to Joseph do not help his quest for prime minister.

This is the time to be decisive, not elusive.

Joseph must remember his public perception, real or not, needs to be polished.



The thing is, Joseph's fears are just what may keep the ALP out of government.

The ALP has not demonstrated that it has made any attempt to change its ways since losing power in 2004.

That’s sad.

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Morris my brain freeze - appologies

#37 tenman » 2012-04-18 23:47

Morris no problem. Just realized I forgot to include the quotes: "baldwin spencer" and "corruption" (29,500 results) vs "Lester Bird" and "corruption"9,500 results

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@ tenman

#36 Morris » 2012-04-18 23:28

There is no need to get defensive; I never once said that the search results determine proof of corruption.
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Morris part 2 of 2

#35 tenman » 2012-04-18 22:54

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Boolean Basics "Boolean" searching (named after George Boole, the 19th-century mathematician who founded the field of symbolic logic) is a powerful technique that can narrow your search to a reasonable number of results, and increase the chance of those results being useful. Boolean searches are simple to learn and tremendously effective. The three most commonly used Boolean commands (or "operators") are AND, OR and AND NOT. AND means "I want only documents that contain both/all words." For instance, the search "London" AND "Big Ben" AND "Buckingham Palace" AND "Trafalgar Square" would return only documents that contained all four keywords or phrases. AND is the most frequently used Boolean command.
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Morris part 1 of 2

#34 tenman » 2012-04-18 22:53

Morris I do for a living. The use of the word and is to ensure that both conditions are met eg. Lester and Bird. This is the reason why when you include and you get a lower result because its more specific. Again I stand by my prior posts. I find it surprising that you would try to suggest like Ruler that results from a search engine could be proof of someone being corrupt. By the way Obama and corruption returns 88,800,000 results so following your and Ruler's logic Obama is more corrupt that the two persons mentioned before. Let me suggest you take a read of www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/special_initiatives/wa_resources/wa_teachers/tipsheets/search_internet_effectively.cfm and pay attention to the section Boolean basics.

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@ Cool Ruler & tenman

#33 Morris » 2012-04-18 22:03

Tenman, to be honest, your search method does exactly what you are accusing Cool Ruler of, as it will include every Lester, every Bird, every Baldwin, every Spencer, and every corruption linked with the "two" entities. Hence the astronomically high results. Cool Ruler's method is much more defined as it only calls for the specific individuals and their links to corruption.
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@ Cool Ruler & tenman

#32 Morris » 2012-04-18 21:57

Hopefully this will put the squabble between you guys to rest. Tenman, regardless whether the word "and" is included or not, Cool Ruler is correct. A quick search on google returned 937,000 results for LB and 72,000 for BS. An additional search on bing returned 117,000 for LB and 115,000 for BS. Mind you that both searches were done with the word "and" included.
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Tenman still a week attempt

#31 Cool Ruler » 2012-04-18 20:59

Anyway let’s not compare the US to Antigua or the like of Lester, Molwyn and the rest of the ALP gang would not be talking about coming back to be in government again. As for how to search the Web, you use your method of searching and I will use mine. Lester Bird and corruption.
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Tenman still a week attempt

#30 Cool Ruler » 2012-04-18 20:59

Tenman Please! That is still a week attempt that does not prove Baldwin is involved personally with any corruption. You can jump high or jump low the name of Lester Bird and corruption are like sea and sand. No need to pay any special attention to my ethics class my friend except to make sure I pass, there is always a quid pro quo expected whenever a company makes any campaign contributions to a party real or imagined. Do you believe the companies donating to the DNC the RNC or the super packs in the US elections are doing so because they like the individuals running for office or that they share their ideology? They may not be looking for anything directly but you can rest assured they are making contributions to the party that they believe will further their interest. Again pay attention to what Daniel wrote, he was not instructed to hand anything to APC on a silver platter just to give them consideration. What was wrong with that?
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Here's another Google Search Criteria

#29 Brainchild » 2012-04-18 20:13

Baldwin Spencer and Incompetence
Lester and Bird and incompetence
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Amazed

#28 mavis » 2012-04-18 19:24

I am amazed that magic can generate this amount of interest on a non issue. There is nothing wrong with ambition and people wanting to lead but there is not yet a leadership vacuum as Comrade Lester Bird is the unchallenged leader to lead the party into the next election. I am sure that the time will come not far from now when such a decision will have to be made. when the time comes we comrades will decide. If magic or whomever wants to be a part of the process we will welcome you, just join the party. Until then, we are focused on removing this corrupt ,inept regime and saving this blessed country of ours.
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Cool Ruler

#27 tenman » 2012-04-18 19:15

Ruler judging by your response 2012-04-18 18:47 its clear that you do indeed need a class in ethics. Since you are working on your degree and I assume its a business related degree, an ethics class is still mandatory, please ensure you pay attention. Ask yourself if such a thing was revealed of Obama and someone who had donated to his campaign, if there would not be calls for him to be impeached. Do I need to tell you Political favoritism or Patronage is illegal?

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Cool Ruler - be fair

#26 tenman » 2012-04-18 19:03

Cool Ruler be honest, in our interaction for at least the past 2 years can you point to one instance where I told you an untruth? Try the criteria I used. It is more specific than your search due to my use of and. Your criteria will include results containing only the word bird. It will result in any article mentioning the word bird eg Vere Bird, dodo bird etc. To be more specific you need to say Lester and Bird and corruption. I won't send you a bill for the internet search lesson.

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Tenman and his feeble attempt

#25 Cool Ruler » 2012-04-18 18:47

The PM is a man who likes to give persons enough rope to hang themselves, so the fact that Daniel is still a member of cabinet does not in any way signify what you are alleging. If anything it may be the other way around. And by the way your weak attempt at showing that the PM is personally involved in corruption by quoting Daniels letter is laughable. Is it corruption to suggest that a company which had given financial contribution to the UPP for elections 2004 be given the opportunity to be part of the proposed few to compete for APC to provide the additional power to APUA? You would note that they did not give him personally any contribution and he did not demand anything be given to them. Surely you can fine something from amongst your hits of ten thousand plus to prove your point cant you? You love posting links so I dare you to find one.
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Tenman and his feeble attempt

#24 Cool Ruler » 2012-04-18 18:46

Tenman your beginning to sound like a real spin doctor, you use your method I use mine on Google. I typed Baldwin Spencer and corruption and the results, About 72,200 results (0.39 seconds) then I did the same with Lester Bird and corruption, guess what the results were About 937,000 results (0.31 seconds) not one of the links that came up under Baldwin Spencer and corruption has anything to do with Spencer being involved personally with any acts of corruption, however of the 937, 000 results are littered with numerous articles of Lester Bird’s pass sins.
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Cool Ruler - hear the judge

#23 tenman » 2012-04-18 18:34

Cool Ruler this is another url I obtained for my search on MP Spencer & Corruption www.eccourts.org/judgments/decisions/2012/HC/antigua/LesterBirdvBaldwinSpenceretal.pdf. It has a judge saying of MP Spencer on page 26:
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I find that the First Defendant was actuated by malice. I have taken into account firstly that the First Defendant made use of the occasion of the political rally for an improper purpose. He was not motivated by any sense of duty to publish the material complained of, but was propelled by political gain, namely that of damaging the Claimant politically, and thus scoring political mileage for himself. I find further that the First Defendant was indifferent to the truth or falsity of the defamatory statements.
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Cool Ruler

#22 tenman » 2012-04-18 18:00

Cool Ruler I need not look very far. There is an article carried 02 April 2012 which included a letter by Wilmoth Daniel. In that letter the MP, quotes the PM as wanting favors to be extended to a certain family because of their political contributions. Do you need an ethics class to know this is corruption?

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My recollection of this is that you reminded me of the friendship and financial contribution to the UPP for elections of 2004 from that family. You opined that you would like to see the friendship rekindled between myself and the Hadeeds and that since we were looking for additional power generation you suggested that I give them the opportunity to be part of the proposed few to compete for APC to provide the additional power to APUA. Read more: http://www.Caribarena.com/antigua/news/latest/100150-daniel-demands-investigation-into-chinese-power-plant.html#ixzz1sQoSXg7R
The man is still a senior member of government due to his seat in cabinet, if he is a liar why has he not been removed? Does the inaction from the PM not show that Daniel has information which could destroy the current government?
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#21 Cool Ruler » 2012-04-18 17:32

Oh tenman I drop my corn for bill not you but I guess you could not resist dipping in. I dare you to provide this forum with any lanyink as you like to do of any article where Baldwins name is personally link to any corruption, however when I get home I will be happy to show you links whear Lesters name is personally mentioned.
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Cool Ruler - idiocy

#20 tenman » 2012-04-18 16:59

Cool Ruler actually if you google baldwin and spencer and corruption (10,700,000 results 0.44 seconds) vs lester and bird and corruption (10,600,000 results in 0.32 seconds), there are more results for Baldwin. I also entered martin luther king and corruption and got 25,400,000 results. I have told you this before yet you keep with the idiocy of trying to use google results to determine corruption. Isn't this a function of a court






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OPEN LETTER TO LESTER FOUL

#19 Grey Ghost » 2012-04-18 15:55

Lester when you go to the meeting, express your feelings about Asot and those who have similar concerns should not be telling you what to do. As of today, you are still the leader, Grey Ghost will not say too much BAD about you. I still have a little respect for you, even though I support Gaston and the processing of a new party. Get rid of all the FART boxes, you included and make young, dynamic leadership take over. Mek me tell yuh wan secret, fallah SISSAH prapozal ah yu bes exit strategy. Suh see yuh laytah, member wah me say.
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CUM ARF

#18 Brer Anancy » 2012-04-18 13:39

Antigua Bill cum arf ah Caribarena yuh ah one disgrace to all bloggers, and that is Brer Anancy opinion.
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to cool ruler

#17 call the doctor » 2012-04-18 13:19

I agree with you that ALP is far from being an acceptable government, but I have to point out a serious distinction between the UPP and ALP. While the ALP and UPP may be considered equally terrible at attracting foreign investors, I do not recall the ALP maltreating our local investors in the same way the UPP has. HMB,K Club and other hoteliers have all suffered under the UPP. While there are many arguments in each one, the fact of the matter is that our country relies on these types of investors. The UPP should, instead of fighting battles with these investors, do as much as they can to help them, so that other investors will see the government supports investors. If a potential investor looks at antigua, all he can see is investors battling with the government. Regardless of the reasons behind the battles, the government should be trying to put an end to them. For this type of management, I give the ALP more points than the UPP. So yes, neither party (or rather, administration) is good at bringing in investors, but at least the ALP knew how to work with the ones that were already here. If you can show examples of the ALP maltreating investors, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#16 Cool Ruler » 2012-04-18 12:53

I don’t normally comment on anything to do with who lead the gang call the ALP because I could care less, I just click next. However when I see the nonsense written by “Antigua Bill” I have to comment. “He is the only one right now who can truly correct the wrongs of the UPP.” Really! Satan is the only on who would be able to correct any sin real or imagined? Just give me a break. All Bill has to do is Google the name of Lester Bird and any number of websites would pop up listing his past allegedly corrupt practices.

Bill went on to say, “ it is my belief that Lester is able to secure more foreign investment and create more employment for Antiguans and that is what the country needs come 2014” Are you for real Bill? In his many years first as foreign minister then as Priminister the only noteworthy investor Lester was able to attract that did not cause Antigua any shame was De Savory of St. James club in the 80’s perhaps Bill you are referring to investors like Maurice Safarti, ** Bertone, Ed Joiner, Dato Tan Kay Hock or uncle Allan. No credible individuals will ever associate themselves with that bunch to invest under them, as their reputation proceeds them.
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#15 call the doctor » 2012-04-18 11:53

after reading a lot of the comments on this story, it is clear that people have a lot of opinions. A lot of us like Gaston, while others want Molwyn, and others yet like Lester. Ultimately, and as with every election, I think every leader will have advantages and disadvantages. Gaston's biggest advantage is his youth and his sharpness. His disadvantage is his lack of experience and thick skin. Molwyn's advantage is his experience, and with all due respect, he's no fool. On the other hand, Molwyn is part of a generation of former ALP members who are associated with the Lester Bird Era, during there is much that need be accounted for. Finally, Lester's advantage is that he is the leader, and he has a reputation with a lot of old timers in Antigua. His reputation and track record, however, are also his disadvantage.Persona lly, I think Molwyn is a better choice. I'd rather have an experienced and competent leader and have to hold him accountable than a fiery and sensitive youngster who, while smart, might make obvious mistakes.
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FOOLISHNESS

#14 Bra Goat » 2012-04-18 11:08

You have written alot of foolishness in the past, but this takes the cake, how can Satan correct Sin.
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NO POLITICAL SAVVY

#13 Antigua Bill » 2012-04-18 10:48

None of the three MPs mentioned is ready to lead Antigua. People need to stop looking at the perceived past corruption of the labor party. Lester is a true gladiator in the political Coliseum. He is the only one right now who can truly correct the wrongs of the UPP. It is my belief that Lester is able to secure more foreign investment and create more employment for Antiguans and that is what the country needs come 2014. Lester has proven leadership skills and is the caliber of leader the country needs come 2014. I predict that Lester will be the next Prime Minister; he will lead for two years then pass the rein of leadership to Gaston Brown. The two years will be Gaston OJT.
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GASTON IS BEST

#12 Grey Ghost » 2012-04-18 10:24

Gaston is the best choice to lead ALP, and I will support Gail as his deputy, both young and vibrant individuals. It is time to clean the slate of the many business agents on both sidesof the aisle, and with I agree with SISSAH analysis. The monied interest got us in far too much mess from Stanford to APC.

Do you know many low-minded politicians go to a particular car dealership to beg, and it is not only them, others get homes built, vehicle free, monies and deals. I have seen them there, and their presence is known. Gaston stay away.
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#11 Strategist » 2012-04-18 09:46

Molwyn's leadership relevance will decrease with his age and compounded by any illness he may suffer. Bird on the other hand may survive because he is already in a leadership position and just needs to hold on. If Molwyn is serious about leading the ALP his best chance is now. If he doesn't cease it, then he is clearly afraid or has conceded that he doesn't have the support which flies in the face of the Caribarena poll which says that Molwyn is the man in the ALP. Gaston in the other hand has time on his hand and has nothing to lose waiting. Molwyn's "smart" approach will ultimately benefit Gaston who has been publicly endorsed by Bird and is keeping cool and very satesman-like these days.
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#10 Weakminded » 2012-04-18 09:23

Molwyn has me confused. He said on ZDK a few days ago that the party is divided and that he will utilise his time to heel the party now in the article yesterday he said there is no disunity. This is symptomatic of a weak mind. Any courage will to be boldy stupid and senseless like Vere Steve Bird 111 who said on Observer this morning that he will be given a mandate to speak for the country. Keep on dreaming Vere 111. No wonder people like Vere 111 trying to use Molwyn to block Gaston with the hope they could emerge. Anyway, I like Gaston's maturity, treating them with benign neglect. The people want Gaston. Labadie and Vere Steve cannot stop the people's choice from emerging.
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I vote for Joseph

#9 Snake Yark » 2012-04-18 09:02

Lester Bird does not trust Gaston Browne. He has stated openly before the party core members that he thinks that Joseph is a better bet than Browne.

Gaston lacks the capacity to be seen as a unifier. He is too crude and reactionary. He is the one who is deadly afraid of challenging Bird.

Gaston days done past long time. He made to many irredeemable mistakes.

I vote for Joseph. He is far more mature and loyal. He can unify the party. Lester knows it too. Joseph is strategic, thoughtful and prudent. He is very intelligent and bold too.
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#8 Amazed » 2012-04-18 09:00

I am amazed that the Labour Party would be so backward to present a" brand new" 70 year old Molwyn Joseph with xxxxxxx issues to lead this country in 2014 or 2019. Get real. Who ever promoting Molwyn to lead is either delusional or is hateful of Antiguans.
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TO HELL WITH BIRD

#7 SISSAH » 2012-04-18 08:50

This ancient style of leadership finish, Bird time is over, Molwyn time has long passed, it is time for the people who really have the courage decide our Nations desting. Who the F xxx are they, I am tired of this power-war, Antiguans take back your country from the monied interest, business agents and all of the hoteliers that exploit this country daily.

Who does Bird & Molwyn want to lead, certainly not US!
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#6 Ian Best » 2012-04-18 08:23

Gaston has no need to fight Lester since he has lester's Blessings already. Molwyn is very selfish and is not well liked. in addition, he has the Rolls Royce issue which is a major deterent for me and others to support him. Steve is just a Gaston hater frightened by Gaston's successes and his inevitable emergence of the ALP leader and Prime Minister after Lester.
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RE: Is Joseph Scared or Smart

#5 Fred » 2012-04-18 08:14

"Joseph believes that he has the qualities the past two leaders - Bird and Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer - lack, ie courage".

Magic obviously as a good journalist would not have attributed the above sentiments to Molwyn unless they were articulated by Molwyn. If Molwyn, thinks that courage is the most important leadership attribute to leadership and he has the most then he must challenge and provide the courageous leadership that is required. Staying behind his leader's back and making those statements is far from courageous. Molwyn must man up if he wants to lead and stop sneaking.

I am sure that we would all agree that courage is one of the strengths, even in his "quiet demeanour" Gaston has over all of his colleagues. So if courage is the requirement to lead according to Molwyn, then Brown will be the better choice. Perhaps thats why Bird, in his wisdon, said Brown next.
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very concerned

#4 wadadlichild » 2012-04-18 08:06

Uncle Lester Bird is a tremendous liability for the ALP. Its time for one of those guys to assert themselves without a doubt. A new leader of the ALP will energize that party along with its core supporters.

If Lester Bird is the leader of the ALP going into the next election it will be a disaster for Antigua and Barbuda. Bill and Hillary Clinton got the idea that the first real black president of the United States was going to be first blessed by them and their cronies. Hillary got a terrible wake up call. Either Molwyn Joseph or Gaston Browne should take a page from President Barack Obamas play book and grab the bull by its n*Ts.

Gaston Browne is showing that he may not be ready with his proposal of economic citizenship initiative. The program is a terrible idea at this point giving that the Stanford affair is still fresh in the minds of the world. Antigua and Barbudas reputation is soil in corruption and Uncle Lester carry a large portion of that responsibility.
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Leadership

#3 justin » 2012-04-18 07:28

Either of them party leader next election. ME NO VOTE!!
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Not with you this time Magic

#2 STEVE » 2012-04-18 06:53

Magic, Molwyn is displaying what any "real leader" knows. If you are to lead people, THE PEOPLE MUST WANT TO BE LED BY YOU. Political parties operate in a system Magic. In Antigua's case, the first stage is BECOMING LEADER AS A RESULT OF A PARTY CONVENTION. While one is preparing for a convention to determine who the PARTY LEADER will be, one will also be attempting to convey to the M** the image that I would be a good leader for the COUNTRY going forward. One cannot become the COUNTRY'S LEADER without first become his/her respective PARTY LEADER. This is why, in my opinion, Molwyn will succeed Lester. From my knowledge, the M** of laborites are not "comfortable" with Gaston. They seem to prefer Molwyn's leadership style over Gaston's. Magic, why haven't the U.P.P investigated Molwyn on the Rolls Royce issue? What would have prevented them from doing so? Have Molwyn ever been CONVICTED in this regard? Magic, have you ever played basketball with a "superstar" who wants all the shots? As a "point guard" who gets the shots, THE "NAME BRAND" OR THE ONE WHO IS ACTUALLY PUTTING THE BALL THROUGH THE NET? Pick sense from nonsense!! :-)
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cheese

#1 chalk » 2012-04-18 06:38

It just goes to show, from Joseph's recent pronouncements, that members of the opposition who may not be capable of having cheese in their mouths may instead have a muzzle?

You are right Magic, the race is not for the faint of heart! No great Leader can be a coward!

It seems Lester will have to designate his successor?
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