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What the UPP Poll Suggests

ALP/ UPP -  difficult to tell the differenceAntigua St John's - I thought that Caribarena.com readers were not too into the Antigua Labour Party following that unscientific poll last week where less than 600 people participated.

Well, with just 382 people taking part in a similar poll for the leadership of the United Progressive Party, it’s the government that our readers are not too interested in.

That stated, the result of the UPP poll is in, and it shows that Finance and Economy Minister Harold Lovell is the readers’ favourite, with 122 votes, followed by Minister of Health Wilmoth Daniel - 14 votes behind.



Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer was third with 77 votes, two more than Minister of National Security Errol Cort, who was minister of Finance and the Economy from 2004 to 2009.

His record on the economy is bad, and when Dr Cort lost to Lester Bird in Rural East, his "star qualities" went out the door.

So Lovell, who could not stand his ground against Winston Derrick on Voice of the People last week, seems most likely to take Spencer’s place.

With Spencer embroiled in this controversy over the Chinese Power Plant and his lack of decisiveness, Lovell seems to be the next in line.

It was not surprising then that Lovell won. But Daniel placing second was somewhat astonishing, which may suggest a deeper look into the mindset of Antiguans & Barbudans.

Both the ALP and the UPP need to take serious notice.

Twice since the UPP has been in office, Daniel has moved to have inquiries into the people's monies.

On both occasion, the Observer Media Group and others damned the St Phillips South MP.

Daniel became the whipping post for members of that media house.

That Daniel would finish second to Lovell suggests that the media bashing does not hold as much water as looking out for the people, whether perceived or true.

The biggest question though, is what has happened to Baldwin Spencer, the man who was supposed to save Antigua & Barbuda?

I’m wondering if, like Bird when he lost in 2004, Spencer - with the writing on the wall - is claiming that the people are ungrateful.



Well Spencer did admit that the UPP is losing popularity, and with him as the chief servant, admiration for him is waning.

But why are Spencer and the UPP losing popularity?

Perhaps the people are coming to realise how irresponsible this administration has been with the people's finances.

Winston Williams will not suffer for the public spending affair he has already suffered from being too pompous and arrogant, but Spencer will pay, and is paying for Williams’ poor spending.

Before 2004, the electorate was sold on Spencer and the UPP being completely different from the ALP, but eight years later, it’s difficult to tell the difference.

This Chinese Power Plant issue is not going anywhere, no matter what Spencer, his spin doctors, and those holding information from the public try to do.

As a matter of fact, this is getting worse.

Spencer seems to be "in bed" with the Chinese, especially with that recent gift which would see a secondary school built in his constituency and US$4.7 m for unspecified projects.

That the Chinese seem to be taking over the fishing or lobster industry in Antigua & Barbuda is extremely troubling.

The Chinese ambassador’s sound bite on Observer Radio about those who picketed the Chinese Embassy is not helping this conversation.

The last time I checked, we live in Antigua & Barbuda, not Communist China, so we have a right to peacefully protest.

Spencer should denounce the Chinese ambassador, but we know that day would never come, because the PM seems more obligated to the Chinese than the people who elected him.

Perhaps Spencer could let the good ambassador know that Tiananmen Square is far, far, away and there are no students to shoot for protesting.

While the ambassador’s statement came after the poll, this will continue to hurt Spencer’s chances of lifting his popularity from the depths.



Spencer lost a libel suit against Bird, who is seemingly flying free of fear that Spencer could ever hold him accountable for this much-talked-about IHI matter.

The UPP is losing favour, but there may be some light at the end of the tunnel.

Like the ALP, the UPP would not use the tools needed to reclaim any sensitivity the public may have, because Daniel, it seems, is out of the UPP equation.

By the time the elections come around, these polls may not even have any bearing on the political landscape, but for now they are extremely instructive.

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In Bed

#29 The Antiguan » 2012-04-21 17:51

Magic when our PM goes to bed its Suite , room service etc. He went to bed with Stanford and remember he said to come out of it he will prefer to call an election . He is in bed with Shoul and the Chinese and only the polls can get him out of that bed. Just remember the PM has his head on . My question is ,is it turn back to front ?
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Lester Foul

#28 tenman » 2012-04-20 19:08

Lester Foul which point? Please try and be specific. I am at a loss to figure out how any of the statements I made in my post at 2012-04-20 17:36 will be proven wrong, I can back them up with articles. I am no comrade so stop with your lies. I can only conclude that you are another alias for Grey Ghost aka Godfather aka sisah aka Bilah etc. Anytime any of those aliases need help, there you come carrying water, in a leaking bucket, for them. You exist only to support them.

More Questions:

Anyway you or one of your other aliases may be able to answer some questions: Why was the IHI file not released to the public? Why must we depend on persons like BS to hear conclusion it allegedly made? Was it not the same BS that a court ruled acted out of malice when he defamed LB? How is it that LB had no problem releasing the results from the Allen Jospeh forensic audit into MBS yet BS and crew have problems releasing Linquist's report?

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Stop it Now!

#27 Lester Foul » 2012-04-20 18:32

Tenman, you are doing me more bad than good, I know you are a good comrade, but at my age I don't want to go to workhouse. So let sleeping dogs lie, and rest the debate! Your point will prove invalid against the mountain of evidence, I beg you stop now.
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Magic Want Don't Worry

#26 The Godfather » 2012-04-20 17:52

Don't worry Magic Wand out of 1270 hits, 24 comments, only 54 negatives, an insignificant amount vs the readershp. So don't worry with the fanatics thumbs down, since they are usually the same ones giving their posting the thumbs up! They may endeavor to increase their thumbs down soon, but ignore such fanatical ignorance.
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logic 101

#25 tenman » 2012-04-20 17:36

Godfather aka grey ghost aka sisah aka Bilah etc:, Was a financial forensic investigator named Robert Linquist not hired to investigate IHI? Has a DPP not looked at Linquist work and stated it is not enough for criminal charges to be filed? Have we not been told that the police have been investigating IHI? Are persons wrong to insist on at least similar treatment for the fencing and Wadadli power plant issue? Do journalist have more resources available to them than the police or a forensic investigator hired by a government?

Has APUA not filed charges where APUA funding is concerned? Was APUA funding not (enacted in parliament) with Dr. Errol Cort being the mover of the bill? Isn't the PDB Caribe initiative similar to APUA funding? Arn't moneys which should be used to pay for fuel, instead used for example to pay for incomplete fencing projects in the PM's constituency?

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Agree

#24 The Godfather » 2012-04-20 16:58

Confused, I agree with you, there is not sufficient work done by journalist for them to be paid, they not only owe their employers, but the public too. Why does Lester Bird, Asot, and Sir Ron Sanders avoid being questioned. Why can't journalist never unearth anything about APUA FUNDING, IHI, STANFORD and so many others. If Caribarena did a check there are volume of stories about WPP but I hardly see any mention of IHI. What is keeping investigative journalism at bay? How many millions or close to billions was lost between Royal Antiguan project, Heritage Quay, The Public Market, IHI and Stanford? Investigate and let the public know, that may just be a prize winner for journalism!
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Anon face the truth

#23 Nona » 2012-04-20 16:44

Did Lester Bird ever punish himself? Stop skipping around the question posed, you are like a little girl. Has Lester Bird ever accepted public responsibility?
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SAMSON - learn

#22 tenman » 2012-04-20 16:06

SAMSON I agree with you that corruption should be stamped out. The electorate needs to play their part in this, it can't simply be about politicians. Don't you recall when LB punished Dr. Cort for his involvement in MBS? The same Cort then ran on the UPP ticket and beat LB. I take it that his charging us overcharging us (MBS) 1.4 million to vet a contract is now sign of a patriot? What of the MBS judges basically saying he was guilty of conflict of interest? You want to send off Asot but would he not simply join the UPP? We would then hear via their podium what a great man Asot is and he was always working for the people. Wasn't Tamo labelled corrupt and an idiot prior to 2004? When he switched to the UPP, he was then labelled a patriot. Seems to me that the criteria for corruption should not be based on what side you back. The solution I guess for LB is to switch sides, in order to be seen as good in the eyes of the blues. I recall prior to 1994 when he marched with the opposition, this was the suggested possibility. The Outlet then lauded him as a change agent. After all, lets admit he had a better chance of winning rural east than Rick James

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Everything Goes Away....

#21 marco polo » 2012-04-20 16:05

Space Research Corp
Guns for Drugs
Dato Tan
Fences (too soon?)
Medical Benefits Schemes
Hurricane Relief scandal
Airport Refurbishing
Sidewalks
Stanford (too soon?)
Robert Vesco
the Mafia
Rolls Royce

Everything (especially in short-term memory A&B) eventually gets relegated to the dust bin of faded memory.... Pathetic.
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Tenman tell us about Lester now

#20 Dadliwoman » 2012-04-20 15:55

Now you have exposed PM Baldwin, I await your analysis on former PM Lester Bird, don't let me down now.
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Make more attention to what's going on in your country!

#19 Dig It » 2012-04-20 15:53

Instead some of us "underming" the poll or Magic's efforts to convey his analysis, why don't some of us channel our energies to make A&B a better place than what it is? The fact of the matter is the country is not running well, and, we are now not only "beggers" but our name is "tarnished" in eyes of the international community with the Standford debacle, HMB, high-profile crimes, and corrupt and greedy leaders! From top of my "roof-top" in Rural South, the "trench" of despair, downthrodden, unfair-play, and badmindedness is so strong and very "unbearing" in the air! It is time we put our talk into action, and, remove the bean from our blinded and smollen eyes! How many of us will stand in front of a canon to save this country from "evil-doers?" Forget about the polls, and, stand-up for your nation, in a time of great need!
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Lady B

#18 tenman » 2012-04-20 15:28

Lady B this is because its an open secret that many of those works done by public works were actually sanctioned by the xx. Though Daniel sat at the wheel, the PM was doing the actual driving. Even before 2004, it was Daniel who did the then Dadliwoman leader's dirty work. Just like he could order Daniel to include APC on the power deal, xx also allegedly insisted on his desired contractors for certain jobs done by public works. It was the PM who put Chaku at APUA and do you really think Chaku reported to Daniel? Lets face it if his hands are dirty as many UPP supporters (eg serpent) now allege, why is Daniel untouchable?


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now i get it.

#17 rupert j. » 2012-04-20 15:12

@ Hmmmmm you have answered my question and belief it is quite clear to me now. So I guess this site is carring water for the alp folks.
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Really now magic

#16 Confused?? » 2012-04-20 13:57

The fact remains...that as unpopular as Baldwin Spencer and Lester Bird are...(if they are) cause i would not rely on these types of polls...Neither challengers in both political parties would ever win a primary going up against these two men...Gaston, Molywin or who ever would not win against Lester in a ALP primary and Lovell, Daniel would not win against Baldwin Spencer in a UPP primary. Magic's wishful thinking on your part....but then again this is Antigua...and anything is possible....
Now i am not sure if Caribarena knows this...but by doing these polls and some other actions they are just deflating their independence and credibility....If you really want great data that your can trust why not go out and do the necessary investigations...sam e with some of ur "journalists" why write an article with lots of Questions and make it sound like your giving facts...go ask they questions to whom it may concern then bring the data to the public!!
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@Dadliwoman

#15 Lady B » 2012-04-20 13:09

Daniel asked the PM for an investigation into the WPP. I am most certain this greatly displeased the PM and others in the UPP. Now if Daniel's hands are dirty why wasn't an investigation of Public Works conducted? Is it because others had their hands in the cookie jar and can be implemented? Huh? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Daniel is the Man

#14 St. Philip South » 2012-04-20 13:05

Magic, Daniel and Level are in a dead heat when you look at the 5 point error. Daniel could take down Level and the PM. as a fact he could take down the UPP Government right now.
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jeb

#13 tenman » 2012-04-20 12:48

jeb, I second your suggestion, its a truly good idea. I suspect many of the blues would be surprised by the results. Like you, I too wrongly supported the UPP prior to 2004. Took a year or two for me to realize what a sham they really were.

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TIME FOR CHANGE

#12 SAMSON » 2012-04-20 12:46

I understand your concern Jeb, my famly voted ALP from the genesis of election in Antigua, they were satisfied but I was not. The many investigations that followed proved my point, I was disenchanted with ALPs corruption. Yes, they have had inquires and then turn around and put the same members in key position, for example Vere Bird 11, Molwyn Joseph and so many more. I am dissatified with the leadership and the instability of ALP. There is need for new leadership within the ALP, past corruption and the IHI issue will not go away. Its time for us to clean hosue of our corruption first, send off Lester, Asot & Sir Ron into the sunset. Time for a new dawn, as Swallow so rigteously sang Dawn of New Day!
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"(or rather those disenchanted with the UPP)".

#11 jeb » 2012-04-20 12:24

How about an “unscientific” poll to show how many Caribarena readers and bloggers supported the UPP prior to 2004 and changed party support from disillusionment within a year or so. I voted for UPP in ’04 thinking that despite some reservations about a couple of the reps the transparency that was being promised would actually take place and put a stop to the corruption that appeared to be permeating every ministry. The corruption was, in my view, depleting funds that would have enhanced even further the economic successes that were most definitely happening during the ALP tenure. Despite finding most of the UPP hopefuls somewhat arrogant, I stupidly believed the daily spin that integrity and competence would rule. IMO the UPP history up to now speaks for itself and Tim Hector was right in his analysis of wolves in sheep’s clothing. I believe there are many ca readers who just want the country to be free, successful and void of corruption and that is not likely to happen with any of the 4 candidates in the poll; thus perhaps the lack of votes.
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RE: What the UPP Poll Suggests

#10 Johnny » 2012-04-20 11:36

Magic I never viewed you as any kind of political analyst, just a guy with a liking for politics. Unfortunately Caribarena seems to have given you free reign and a pulpit from which to spew your ill-conceived analyses of Antiguan politics.

The ONLY reason that the ALP poll received more participation than the UPP poll is because Caribarena's readership is inequitably skewed towards supporters of the ALP (or rather those disenchanted with the UPP). It is like ZDK up in here.

Do you want proof for what I am saying? I will bet my life savings that this post will have many "thumbs-down" because any anti-ALP/pro-UPP sentiments receive thumbs-down on this website. SMDH
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NTIGUA WOMAN

#9 Jessica » 2012-04-20 11:19

This was said during a campaign speech, Lester said the Hadeed's were ungrateful.
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ANYONE

#8 ANTIGUAN WOMAN » 2012-04-20 10:57

I cant recall ever hearing coming from the Hon LB in 2004 that anyone was ungrateful. Can someone refresh me if it was said and in what setting,I can clearly remember the Hon Erroll Cort echoing those sentiments at a public meeting once.
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RE: What the UPP Poll Suggests

#7 Who Dunnit? » 2012-04-20 09:45

This Chinese Power Plant issue is not going anywhere, no matter what Spencer, his spin doctors, and those holding information from the public try to do.

As a matter of fact, this is getting worse.

Spencer seems to be "in bed" with the Chinese . . .

...the PM seems more obligated to the Chinese than the people who elected him.



I agree with the above noted quotes stated in the article.
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Be fair to Caribarena

#6 Dadliwoman » 2012-04-20 09:44

It is good to offer constructive criticism of any media outlet, but I do not think that's a fair comment. Caribarena published many articles and comments against the ALP and should be categorized in that aspect. Your criticism would be more suitable to ZDK the poopooganda arm of the ALP.

Magic Wand, I challenge you to write an article, and should Caribarena turn it down, then you have an argument. If the article is not libelous it will be published , I enjoy reading Caribarena and listening to Observer Radio, both have done some tremendous good.

Do not fight against CA, sometimes I wonder if there is a covert hand at work to create more fractional politics.
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RE: What the UPP Poll Suggests

#5 Magic Wand » 2012-04-20 09:16

Magic:

There is a logical explanation to the relatively smaller number of persons voting for a Leader of the UPP and it is not what is causing you to jump up and clap. According to school children, Caribarena is being viewed as an electronic ALP newsrag financed by the Arab prodigal son and run by paid henchmen. You may not necessarily be one of them but it is obvious that you have found another bandwagon on which to ride.

The readership of Caribarena is obviously Labour. Your theory doesn't hold water.
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RE: What the UPP Poll Suggests

#4 Cool Ruler » 2012-04-20 08:09

Sometimes I believe that Magic is trying to play devils advocate or just want to solicit comments. I can’t believe that you would give much credence to this joke poll that you guys did recently for either UPP or ALP; you guys may just be reading the tea leaves incorrectly. Everyone knows that the majority of persons who come on hear to comment are from the red brigade so are you surprised that they would vote for Daniel?

Why don’t you guys pay some money to a reputable organization to conduct a real credible scientific poll with a margin of error and publish the results instead of this joke you guys are engaged in am sure the Israeli that own this site can find some money for that.
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Wasteful Ignorance

#3 Dadliwoman » 2012-04-20 08:05

Magic, there is no way I could ever support MP Daniel since he was one irresponsible with peoples finance. Isn't this the same Daniel that distanced himself from monied, now leading the charge against the WPP in defense of those he earlier despised. No one is foolish Magic, trying to polish Daniel's image isn't neither, investigate and report without bias, that the public demands!

Magic, everyone is owed investigative journalism and not bias insinuations, and it is time we review the cycle of politics to see exactly where we are going. I suggest you grill Daniel about his tenure as Minister of Public Works, dig deep and you will discover gems for your story. Likewise, investigate Lester, Asot,Cort there is much more there than you expect. Journalism is not challenging as it should, the easy route is taken at all times, feeding the same old stories without any serious thought or content, no educational value, but wasteful ignorance!
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TEK DAT ALGERNON "SERPENT" WATT

#2 STEVE » 2012-04-20 07:01

Magic, I too was “PLEASANTLY SURPRISED” when I realized that less than 400 persons participated in the “leadership poll for the U.P.P.”. The U.P.P. is a total failure. I am glad to see that as the U.P.P. Officials run around believing they are God’s gift to Antigua the public is patiently waiting for the next general elections to get the rid of them. In relation to the placing Wilmoth Daniel got, the mindset of Antiguans do not have to be looked into. Antiguans don’t like advantage and we fully recognize WHO have sold out themselves and Antigua to BIG MONEY INTEREST. To my mind, there is no difference between Lovell & Gaston. BOTH OF THEM WILL BE BAD FOR ANTIGUA. I pray to God that Molwyn become the next Prime Minister (after Lester leaves the scene).
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RE: What the UPP Poll Suggests

#1 Hmmmmm » 2012-04-20 06:24

Its simple the majority of Caribarena's readers are ALP supporters who are not interested in a poll concerning to UPP because we want to see their backs come next election.
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