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No Support on Buggery Issue

No Support on Buggery IssueAntigua St John's - The newly appointed Roman Catholic bishop's call for the decriminalization of buggery is not finding favour with other church leaders.

Since Bishop Kenneth Richards' statement on radio last Friday, at least one church leader, Rev Carlwin Greenaway, superintendent of the Methodist Church, has distanced himself from the suggestion.

Now, chairman of the Provincial Elders Conference of the Eastern West Indies Province of the Moravian Church, Rev Dr Cortroy Jarvis, also wants to disagree.

“I am surprised that we seem to be re-introducing things that I thought we had settled long ago," he said. "I totally disagree with the call to decriminalize buggery, for I feel that once that happens, it would open up the door to a lot of other things."

Rev Jarvis added that should buggery be removed as a criminal act, this would open the door for homosexuality to "raise its head" in the open with boldness.


“You cannot control what happens in a person’s bedroom, but there has to be a moral compass for our society," he said. "People should know what acceptable behaviour is and what is not."

The PEC chairman noted that the Bible is very clear on the issue of homosexuality. “In Leviticus 20 verse 13 it states: 'If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall be put to death: their blood shall be upon them.' While I think the second part of the passage is harsh in today’s context, it shows the seriousness with which the subject is treated from a biblical perspective,” Rev Jarvis explained.

He added that the "real picture," as stated in the Bible, is for a man and a woman, and not man and man. He does not see any justification for repealing the laws.


“I don’t see any open discrimination against homosexuals in the society," the reverend said. "We have been living with them amongst us for a long time. Because adultery was illegal at one time and now it is not, is not a strong enough justification in my view."

According to Rev Jarvis, if the laws against buggery were lifted, this would strike a "serious blow" against morality. “We have enough serious problems to contend with in the country than to consider things such as lifting the laws against buggery,”  he said.

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RE: No Support on Buggery Issue

#19 Peenutz » 2012-03-13 18:37

If it was an abomination then, it is still an abomination now!...#thatisall
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#18 Antiguan WOMAN » 2012-03-07 16:17

I have not laughed this hard in a while.You really made my afternoon.LOL
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#17 Reality Check » 2012-03-07 08:27

Finally,

Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way

You cannot 'pick & choose' you are either true to the entire word or shut the )(*^#$#@# up.
Hypocrites!
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Hypocrites

#16 Reality Check » 2012-03-07 08:26

It still boggles my mind that people who profess love and all that crap that goes along with "religion" would be sounding off ONLY about what in the Bible suits them best.
Those of you who feel you have the right to discriminate for religious purposes please note...

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Luke 6:41 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
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What ah thing

#15 Lester Baldwin » 2012-03-07 00:05

This priest should not be worried about changing buggery laws to suit sinners ... he should be worried about saving buggery souls ... what is going on around here?

Then bloggers like "MauMau" are gonna attack me and call me a washed up politician because I talk about gay priest in the USA taking advantage of choir boys. I don't know if he realised but Lester Baldwin is the name of our 2 main political leaders. My original name on Caribarena was "George Lester Baldwin Bird" in tribute to all our leaders name but the new Caribarena set-up only allowed a certain amount of letters in the name now ... so I don't know where he got the "washed up politician" from. I never ever got one check out of the treasury of Antigua & Barbuda so I don't sing for my super either!!!
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#14 lamanex » 2012-03-06 22:36

The Catholics have been committing Buggery for years and the Popes do nothing about it. The perpetuators would be sent to rehab when discovered and move to other Diocease while the victims are being ignored. The victims will later file lawsuits and get compensated by the Diocease with millions of their members church tithe money. If they are men of God why don't they follow Gods instructions, how can their congregation trust them?.
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Ahamed

#13 lamanex » 2012-03-06 22:22

The Bible explains what is right and what is wrong. Homosexuallity is an abomination unto the Lord. Maybe your idea will also mean that the guys who shot and robbed the gas station attendant have equal rights to obtain money the way they choose too. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and James nor Eve and Susan. He intended for them to produce children and populate the earth. Two women can't and two men can't.
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[email protected] ANTIGUAN WOMAN...

#12 Jumbee Picknee » 2012-03-06 21:13

Greetings lady, I have a dream, that I can be like Papa Bird. I want to start another family, NOT another race, just a clan like Papa have. Do you think, that we can begin to communicate outside of this forum...A man has got to try a thing, and with all these men wanting to give up or have already given up on the most succulent, voluptous, tasty, tantalizing, endearing, sexiest creation for the companionship & pleasure of a man, I, I ah, just wanna say, can we, I mean, can I have a date?
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Everton Again

#11 Reader » 2012-03-06 16:45

I am so tired of Everton and his interpretation of people's words or should I say wrong interpretation. WHere and when did the Bishop call for the decriminalization of buggery? Where Everton - pray tell? Shoots! You have totally changed the topic of the conversation from discrimination to support for buggery.
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#10 ANTIGUAN WOMAN » 2012-03-06 15:37

Take a chill pill,and continue your Evil perverse act in the privacy of your closet.As to slavery,i was born free,so have all rights to be free,You on the other hand,well,as i know it,the world was populated from day 1 with male& female in order to be where we are today,we had to copulate together.As for you, see no provisions were ever made for whatever you feel you are.I do not know of any discrimination against you,except the one that says there will be a price to pay if you are caught in the act of buggery,which i repeat must be an absolutely nauseous sight.
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#9 Ashamed » 2012-03-06 15:03

You obviously have no idea what the word descrimination means, with your extremely discrininatory statement. I would suggest to you that what is "abominable,disg usting not to mention plain evil" is your inability to support equal rights for all persons whether gay, straight or bi.

Imagine what would have happened if right minded, just people didn't take a stand regarding slavery, you wouldn't have the right to post such a comment, as you would have been left an unedified person. But really, there is no difference to how you are now.
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#8 ANTIGUAN WOMAN » 2012-03-06 14:33

As far as i am concerned there is no discrimination among homosexuals,what more do they want from society? Nothing should change in terms of our laws,let them do whatever they want to in their own privacy,we should not compromise anything for them.As for those who repeatdly use Adultery to justify this,let me just say Adultery is between Male/female,its union is of a natural nature,Homosexuality on the other hand is against creation itself.Its abominable,disgustin g not to mention plain evil.
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On the fence

#7 dadlison » 2012-03-06 14:01

On the one hand having a law on the books that discourages acts of homosexuality does not change the fact that people do or want to do them. If you need to use the law to force people to adopt a certain moral code, won't God know on the day of judgement what truely lay in their hearts the whole time? In this light we should not legislate morality and leave it up to the individual in society to make the decisions best for them.

On the other hand, as a sovereign nation we should be entitled to keep whichever laws our populace feels appropriate. The 'West' has their own countries and can do whatever they wish there. Can't they leave us with our 108 sq miles to do as we please, or must they lord over that as well? I'd be fine with whatever outcome a popular referendum produced.
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#6 Jumbee Picknee » 2012-03-06 11:41

IF THE HOMO's WANT TO BE BOGGERED OPENLY, I WANT TO WORK MY OBEAH OPENLY.
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#5 Jah Rastafari » 2012-03-06 11:06

I am a read bout this in ur "blog" this Roman Catholic Bishop yah want to decriminalize "Buggery" when thw Almighty say is wrong and **man fee dead, He of all person should no that seeing he profess to be a man of God reading the Bible, The Judges, Police and Politicians them war lock you up and tarnish ur name call u a criminal if the catch u a "Selling or Smoke Weed" that the Almighty created from a "Seed" to a "Tree" which grows so mystical and powerful and them no want "DECRIMINALIZE" that! A whaaa do you Bishop Kenneth Richards
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Interesting

#4 Champspark » 2012-03-06 09:33

As a gay person in Antigua, i could not care what the so called men of God have to say on the issue because they do not speak for the populace. sometimes i wonder who really holds the reigns of leadership in this country. whether or not it is decriminalized i can say one thing i.e. sooner or later the LGBT's in Antigua will stand up for themselves and demand these basic rights that are due to us.
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#3 Pied Piper » 2012-03-06 09:13

Its not that it would open the door for homosexuality my Reverand friend. Its the primary fact that its agianst The Almighty's "orders" which we as his creations should respect, obey and do.

Anything else against that would be "given over to reprobated minds", and "the total wipe out of nations/civilisation s" at a time convenient the Almighty. Yes, the Almighty's Love is "Forgiving", Long Suffering" but its also mingled with "Wrath", "Consequences" and "Punishment" for the negative paths we as nations, civilisations or man takes.

Can you find 10 "Righteous People"?

And, be very careful with that question, for there is a very thin line with being a "Good People" and being a "Righteous People".

A Good person pays their taxes, treat his family good, turns his/her eyes away from what doesnt concerns him and lives by the law of the land but a "Righteous person" surp** all of that, stands up and states he stands with that which is "right" not that which is "correct" and of course this puts the person infavor with the Almithy morning, noon and night!

In these days we are given either "right?" or "correct?" Were are the 10???
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#2 PLM » 2012-03-06 07:59

Thank god for the Moravians!
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RE: No Support on Buggery Issue

#1 HUH????? » 2012-03-06 06:03

As per the good rev,

“I don’t see any open discrimination against homosexuals in the society,"

So if the discrimination is quiet and on the down low,its okay?
Kudos to Bishop Richards for having the courage to to speak out against an archaic law which can legally be perverted to beat up on a section of our society. We need to be all equal in the eyes of the law (unless of coursewe don't pay our taxes)

The bible has been uses to justify a lot of crimes in the past- including slavery.

-Slavery
However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you- leviticus 25 vs 44-46

Adultery
No whoremonger, no unclean person hath an inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and God - Ephesians 5 vs 5

Are we going to apply the bible blindly and beat up on the brotthers and sisters who have been born a little different. I don't think that I want to do that. Yes,showing tolerance and love for all your fellow humans can be hard sometimes, but speaking for me - intolerance and hate - thats not the way that I want to go.

PS rev - Lady gaga has three words for you - BORN THIS WAY
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